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A plan to reduce gun violence in the US

Major Topics

Keep Situation in Perspective

Reframe Discussion

Public Education

Engage Stakeholders

Move Quickly

Improve School Safety

Reduce Youth Violence

Prevent Suicide

Check Backgrounds + Keep Records

Control Manufacture + Sale

Restrict Ownership Minimally

Raise Price + Increase Cost of Illegal Gun Acquisition

Train 4 Safety

Report loss + theft of firearms

Detect Incidents

Store + Keep Arms Safely

Retrieve weapons from ineligible people

Notice the Link Between Gun + Alcohol Abuse

End Trafficking

Provide Mental Health Services and Screen

Use Medical Services to Enquire about Safety

Assess Threats

Provide for Patient Safety

Counsel about Lethal Means

Repair the Social Safety Net

Tighten Rules for Mandatory Reporters

Restore Community Oriented Policing

Demonstrate Gun Owner and Retailer Responsibility

Get Media Coverage Cooperation

Improve Product Liability Laws

Introduce Consumer Product Regulation and Safety Devices

Use Biometrics to Control Who Can Shoot the Gun

Require Liability Insurance

Divest from Uncooperative Manufacturers

Advertise for Public Health/Use Social Marketing

Recognize the Prevalence of Evil

Tighten Rules on Concealed Carry

Reduce Violence Against Women

Recognize Limits on Privacy Rights

Conduct Research

Reduce Political Contributions

Use a Public Health Emphasis and Approach

Consider Buy-Back Programs

Use Police Enforcement, Security Guards, and Surveillance of Potentially Dangerous People and Groups

Get Ready for New Challenges

For a copy of the detailed plan, send an e-mail to mbrenman001@comcast.net

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Submitted by mbrenman001 1 year ago

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  1. How do we prioritize efforts to close the difference? 1) Life Saving, 2) Incident Stabilization, and 3) Property preservation? The difficulity presented by the above posting is it only addresses 'REDUCTION' not 'ELIMINATION'. The items listed have been and are being progressively increased through tighter gun restriction gun control laws with little or no appreciable results. Improve Product Liability Laws? This item has been 'TESTED' in the court system and does not work. Require Liability Insurance? Can't 'MAINTAIN' a law suit against the mental incompetent nor hold a contract valid against the same. Consider Buy-Back Programs? Law-Enforcement agencies have been doing this for years. Recognize the Prevalence of Evil? This is vague, uncertain, and unspecific and different individuals have mixed opinions.Divest from Uncooperative Manufacturers? Vague, uncertain, and unspecific and doesn't define 'Uncooperative'. Are we to belive that a licensed manufactor could be deprived of their 4th Amendment rights to because they conformed to the conditions of their ATF licensure? Reduce Political Contributions? Would be in opposition to Citizens United decided by US Supreme Court.Reduce Violence Against Women? Interesting!

    Shouldn't men be accorded the same protections as women under the 14TH Amendment? Improve School Safety? Now here is a great idea. 1) No law is effective unless it can be enforced, 2) Legal sanctions can’t be invoked until a violation occurs, 3) Prevention and mitigation activities, allowable within the scope of the law, should be in place prior to any breach of safety and security. To accomplish the objectives of safety and security; Perform a subjective risk assessment for a given building by identifying the assessment components and prioritizing the asset-threat/hazard pairs of interest by relative risk to focus resources on mitigation measures that reduce risk. Identify the available mitigation measures appropriate for in-place or new design and determine when to apply to a given situation. Perform a Tier 1 vulnerability assessment for a given building using the Building Vulnerability Assessment Checklist in FEMA 426 and adjust the subjective risk assessment based upon the identified vulnerabilities. Select applicable mitigation measures for a given building and prioritize them based upon the final assessment relative risk values and the associated estimated risk reduction provided by the mitigation measures. Develop simple, measurable, achievable, realistic, and task oriented (SMART) objectives. How prepared do we need to be? Prepared to the extent that no individual other than an employee, student, or teacher assigned to a school facility may enter that facility without prior authorization to avoid loss of life, injury, building damage loss of contents, and unauthorized access to records.The hypothesis is, if a perpetrator can enter a building without authority and launch an assault with firearms, that same or another perpetrator can use chemical, biological, radiological, or explosives in another incident. Justification for preventive mitigation: 1) Prevention of loss of life and injury, 2) Prevention of property damage and/or destruction. 3) Reduction and/or elimination of civil liability claims against the public entity. The suggested action: Solid doors requiring card-keys avoids an unauthorized individual breaking a glass window on a door to gain entrance.The reality: The urgency and necessity of another gun control law does not address the ‘CORE-ISSUE’ of unauthorized entrance or presence on public property and does not address another ‘CORE-ISSUE’ of other than a firearm can be used to exact similar results. Exception must be taken to public school officials failure to provide the same security measures that are in place and enforced on other public properties.

    1 year ago
  2. mbrenman001 Idea Submitter

    Hi, mjcyranwd6alm. The actual plan addresses some of your concerns. As noted above, if you'd like to see the complete plan, send me an e-mail. What's listed above is just an outline of major topics. Thanks.

    1 year ago
  3. Instead addressing "gun violence" as a way to feel you did something, address the underlying issues, don't just put a bandaid on it and declare victory. Guns are not the problem. Elements in our society bent on violence is the problem. If we were to pass legislation totally banning Americans from firearms ownership, the criminal element would still have the same access to firearms as they do to heroin and cocaine. It's interesting you suggested "Tighten Rules on Concealed Carry, Reduce Violence Against Women." None of the women in my family are a physical match for some thug fresh out of training in their local prison. With their legally carried concealed handguns, they at least have a chance at not becoming a statistic. They are no danger to society, only to predators.

    1 year ago
  4. mbrenman001 Idea Submitter

    Hi 42czech6, perhaps you did not see the comment above. The actual plan addresses some of your concerns. As noted above, if you'd like to see the complete plan, send me an e-mail. What's listed above is just an outline of major topics. Thanks.

    1 year ago
  5. mbrenman001 try sending this to the ATF or you US Senator or Congressman. The urgency and necessity of another gun control law does not address the ‘CORE-ISSUE’ of unauthorized entrance or presence on public property and does not address another ‘CORE-ISSUE’ of other than a firearm can be used to exact similar results.Prevention and mitigation activities, allowable within the scope of the law, should be in place prior to any breach of safety and security,to accomplish the objectives of safety and security. Certainly, exception is taken to your suggestion of imposing a disparity in treatment between the genders and other than equal application of the law pursuant to the 14TH Amendment [Reduce Violence Against Women]. How about Reduce Violence Against men? How about Reduce Violence Against law-enforcement officials? How about considering guns are not the sole focus and any active attack by any method needs to be prevented ? Instead addressing "gun violence" as a way to feel you did something, address the underlying issues try reading FEMA publications 428,426 and 452 which are suggestive of this aspect. Why don't you explain why your local police station and emergency operations center has more security in place than your local public school? 42czech6 brings focus to that of the relavent. Is the focus really guns and gun control laws or is it about enabling protection?

    1 year ago
  6. mbrenman001 Idea Submitter

    mjcyranwd6alm, once again you haven't asked for or read the entire plan, but are making your wrong comments from a rough outline and your imagination. The actual plan does indeed cover school safety issues. The plan makes no suggestion of a "disparity in treatment between the genders and other than equal application of the law pursuant to the 14TH Amendment."

    1 year ago
    1. Why would anyone ask for your so-called "complete plan" when you list of buzz words and one-liners consists of a mix of platitudes with no substance (oh yes, I know you say "it is all in the plan") and various Bradyesque attacks on the rights of law-abiding citizens with fake "solutions" that will be completely ignored by criminals.

      1 year ago
  7. The truth is this has NOTHING TO DO WITH VIOLENCE OR SAVING LIVES….. It is about CONTROL

    Ask why the media is attacking guns ownership when other preventable actions can save hundreds of thousands of lives a year?

    I is a fact that gun violence only accounts for a few thousand incidents of the total violent crime each year. The Knife is used far more often for violence crime. So if the real issue is to stop violence and saving lives, we should be looking to band whatever kills the most people. It is fact that hundreds of thousands of people die every year from medical mistakes. Should we band the medical industry? Of course not, but enforcing shorter work hours would reduce deadly mistakes.

    The fact is guns save dozens if not hundreds of lives every month. Just google - armed citizens reports. In 12/2012 a legally armed man chased off a mass murder at Clackamas Town Center in Oregon. Why didn’t the mass media air that report and many, many others where guns save lives.If the issue is to stop violence then looks start with Facts and Statistics that show where we can make the biggest impact without jeopardizing the safety we already have.

    1 year ago
  8. What is the real agenda???

    Keeping all weapons out of the hands of bad people is what we should be talking about.

    It has been proven in England, Australia and others countries that gun bands only take gun from good people. Criminals keep them and comment more violent crimes than ever before because now none of their victims can effectively fight back. Last year, over 200,000 women in the US stopped rape by use of their legal firearm. 100s each month stop assaults with legal guns, Google search on armed citizen reports. Gun bands are not the answer. Psychiatric evaluations are too subjective in all but the extreme cases and prone to misuse for personal and government agendas. So they are not the best answer either. Gun bands have been proven to be a completely ineffective response to the real problem, how to reduce murder. Let’s start talking about the real issue and get off this faults gun band agenda. Let’s find real and effective ways to reduce bad people from attacking good people.

    1 year ago
  9. More to the point of this discussions board. During hurricane Katrina, the streets were like a war zone. Fine the youtube on it. There was a segment where you can hear all the gun fire at night. This was after the government illegally stole all the firearms form law abiding citizens. When they outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns and good people will be helpless before their violence. In a situations like this, an assault rifle may be your only hope against roaming gangs of violent criminals and gang rapist.

    1 year ago
  10. The best way to counter the mbrenman001 argument is to show that one of the posted premises is untrue. This destroys the argument from within, without having to prove the mbrenman001 conclusion false.

    Control Manufacture + Sale? Excuse me; it is already controlled/regulated by the ATF enforcement of the 1968 Federal Firearms ACT and buyers/manufactures are required to undergo licensing and background checks.

    Tighten Rules on Concealed Carry? Where is it that an individual can carry without a Concealed Weapon Permit unless they are a law-enforcement officer?

    Recognize the Prevalence of Evil? Vague, uncertain, and unspecific! Are we to believe that there is a uniform definition of evil?

    Reduce Violence Against Women? Are we to believe that women should have more protective rights under the laws and US Constitution than men? What ever happened about 'EQUAL APPLICATION OF THE LAW' under the 14TH AMENDMENT?

    Improve Product Liability Laws? Are we to adopt or impose stricter Product Liability Laws against firearm dealers and manufactures than automobile manufacturers and dealers? What ever happened about 'EQUAL APPLICATION OF THE LAW' under the 14TH AMENDMENT?

    The truth is this posting has NOTHING TO DO WITH VIOLENCE OR SAVING LIVES but has everything to do with prohibition, unequal treatments under law and Constitution, and is responsive at best but fails to address 'REAL WORLD' realities. Drunk Drivers and AUTOMOBILES kill more individuals each year than firearms. If a 'NUT-JOB' is denied a purchase of a firearm shouldn't that same individual be denied a driver license since most states forbid issuance to 'NUT-JOBS'? When they outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns. The posting is a falsehood because it implies the absence of background checks in regard to crime and mental defect ineligibility.

    1 year ago