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Augmenting the current wild fire fighting methods by utilizing dry ice pellets on wild fires

could give firefighters an unprecedented edge.

PLANE AND HELICOPTER DROPS of volumes of dry ice pellets, similar to slurry and water drops from aircraft, followed by what could then be more effective water drops on 'cooled', less intense fire zones.

BLASTING DRY ICE FROM WILD FIRE TRUCKS with equipment similar to that used to "blast clean fire damaged buildings",with water fire trucks putting down any remaining fire faster when used in tandem with cold CO2 pellet sprays.

CLOUD SEEDING WITH DRY ICE (NOT silver nitrate). Many countries use cloud seeding to

combat drought, clear airborne pollution and to control when/where it will rain for better timing

around other events. Often weather reports state that "rain evaporated before it hit the

ground due to the heat" or perfect clouds roll past the fire zones, only to rain in "cooler"

areas outside the fire zones. CLOUD SEEDING (1/8 in. pellets) OF AVAILABLE CLOUDS OVER FIRE ZONES can significantly and consistently increase available water to assist in controlling the fires.

This cloud seeding method (1/8 - 1/4 in. pellets) COULD ALSO BE USED TO REDUCE AMOUNT OF

DEBRIS AND EMBERS CARRIED IN FIRESTORM CLOUDS (which include super heated water) by

"raining" it back into the fire zone in the rain instead of letting it drift and drop embers elsewhere.

Dry ice is a virtually unlimited , renewable material that is immediately available, delivery is

a common event and the disbursement equipment is readily available.

Submitted by in Nov 2012

Comments (3)

  1. We all receive the idea when posted once; this idea is posted as idea #1048, #1049, and #1050.

    Since dry ice is "virtually unlimited" could you send a lot of it to New York - we could really use it. One power company stopped handing it out and the restore date is "maybe" November 10.

    On the wildfires. Slurry is used in structure protection and in creating a fire-line in extreme (unreachable) areas; I'm don't think ice-pellets would create a fire-line.
    in Nov 2012
  2. SECOND TO THE MOTION OF MidnightTrain: Though not integrated directly into NIMS, individuals play a critical role in preparedness and are expected to prepare themselves and their families for all types of potential incidents. Effective emergency management and incident response activities begin with a host of preparedness activities conducted on an ongoing basis, in advance of any potential incident. Preparedness involves an integrated combination of assessment; planning; procedures and protocols; training and exercises; personnel qualifications, licensure, and certification; equipment certification; and evaluation and revision. National preparedness is the shared responsibility of our whole community. Every member contributes, including individuals, communities, the private and nonprofit sectors, faith-based organizations, and Federal, State, and local governments. Communities are challenged to develop collective, local abilities to withstand the potential impacts of natural disasters and terrorist threats, respond quickly, and recover in a way that sustains or improves the community’s overall well-being. National preparedness is the shared responsibility of our whole community. Every member contributes, including individuals, communities, the private and nonprofit sectors, faith-based organizations, and Federal, State, and local governments.Wildfires spread by radiation, convection, and firebrands. Radiation is the process by which wildfires heat up the surrounding area. This is similar to the way a radiator heats a room during the winter but at considerably higher temperatures. Radiant heat from a wildfire can ignite combustible materials from distances of 100 feet or more. Flames often occur within columns of heat known as convection columns and can ignite anything flammable they contact. Typically, the flames in a convection column rise straight up, while cooling air descends and hot air rises in a cyclical pattern forming a column of looping heat. However, winds can cause flames to rise diagonally, or even nearly horizontally, extending the reach of the flames. The third way a wildfire spreads is through firebrands, which are burning materials that are blown by wind from one place to another. Winds can blow firebrands more than a mile away from their source, starting new fires wherever they land. When explaining how to establish and maintain a defensible space, use the zone concept. Each zone encircles the structure to be protected. Zone 1 is closest to a structure and where the most mitigation measures are recommended. Zones 2 and 3 are progressively further away. Zone 1 extends at least 30 feet from the structure in all directions. Depending on the structure's risk, especially on any downhill sides of the lot, this zone may extend to 50 or even 100 feet. The objective of Zone 1 is to keep wildfire fuels at a minimum and have a source of water readily available. Ideally, within Zone 1: Plants are very low to the ground and placed at least 3 feet from the structure There are no outbuildings or trees, Branches from trees outside this zone do not reach within 10 feet of a roof, Mulch consists of fire resistant stone, lava rock, or similar material , Paths and walkways are made of stone, brick, or concrete , Decks and patios are made of non-flammable materials , Irrigation is provided by a sprinkler system or hose, Zone 2 begins where Zone 1 ends. The size of Zone 2 depends on specifics of the property such as the slope of the ground where the structure is built. It is acceptable to have small shrubs and trees in this zone. , Ideally, in Zone 2: Trees, when fully grown, are no higher than their distance from the structure. This prevents falling trees from landing on the structure during a wildfire , Trees are planted at least 10 feet apart , Branches on trees taller than 18 feet are trimmed to be 6 feet above the ground, to minimize ladder fuel on lower branches , An irrigation system is installed, if possible , Zone 3 extends beyond Zone 2 as far as possible. This is a slightly modified natural area. The objective in this area is to thin trees and remove all dead or dying vegetation that could become fuel for the wildfire. States have the option of requesting interstate and intrastate firefighting assistance and resources, both utilizing existing agreements. Intrastate resources would be requested under local or statewide mutual aid and assistance agreements. Interstate resources, including National Guard firefighting resources from other States, would be requested through the Emergency Management Assistance Compact (EMAC), other compacts, or State-to-State mutual aid and assistance agreements.
    in Nov 2012
  3. dlsmeininger2011 Idea Submitter
    The Idea is that dry ice pellets are the quintessential
    thermal dynamic inhibitor for the heat part of the
    triangle of wild fires that often escallate to the degree that even water cannot make a dent until the 'fuel' has been 'used up' enough for fire fighters to combat it and the red slurry is only a tempory deterant that will last only about an hour when fire is running thru that area. Dry ice will 'absorb' the heat and become an eco friendly gas easily dispursed in the wind and then recycled by plants without becomming part of the combustion process.
    This idea can even be used for oil refinery fires and fuel transport fires without the 'wait' factor and the
    contamination of those fuel reserves that is currently
    an issue with putting out those type of fire.
    in Nov 2012

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